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Here you go. I hate uppin my own threads. Feel like it's arrogance or something.
Theocratic Sedition
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Current Discrimination Lawsuits by Jehovah's Witnesses. Will disfellowshipped JWs have the same rights?
by Balaamsass informer teachers, jehovah's witnesses file discrimination lawsuit against school districtby sabina bhasin.
end .byline thursday, august 30, 2012. end dates end story_meta two former teachers are suing the lee county school district saying their school's principal discriminated against them and declined to re-hire them after learning they are jehovah's witnesses.. kristine and gerardo rosales both were hired as teachers at orange river elementary in fort myers in 2008, according to a lawsuit filed aug. 20 in u.s. district court in fort myers.
the lawsuit says principal holly bell learned of the couple's religious beliefs when they asked for a day off in august 2010 to attend a jehovah's witness convention.. prior to that, the couple had a close relationship with bell and received positive reviews, according to the lawsuit.. in december 2010, bell held a faculty meeting where she demanded the entire faculty participate in a mandatory christmas activity, emphasizing "i don't care what religion you are," according to the suit.. after the meeting, the rosaleses wrote bell an email explaining their religion doesn't permit celebrating christmas.
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Current Discrimination Lawsuits by Jehovah's Witnesses. Will disfellowshipped JWs have the same rights?
by Balaamsass informer teachers, jehovah's witnesses file discrimination lawsuit against school districtby sabina bhasin.
end .byline thursday, august 30, 2012. end dates end story_meta two former teachers are suing the lee county school district saying their school's principal discriminated against them and declined to re-hire them after learning they are jehovah's witnesses.. kristine and gerardo rosales both were hired as teachers at orange river elementary in fort myers in 2008, according to a lawsuit filed aug. 20 in u.s. district court in fort myers.
the lawsuit says principal holly bell learned of the couple's religious beliefs when they asked for a day off in august 2010 to attend a jehovah's witness convention.. prior to that, the couple had a close relationship with bell and received positive reviews, according to the lawsuit.. in december 2010, bell held a faculty meeting where she demanded the entire faculty participate in a mandatory christmas activity, emphasizing "i don't care what religion you are," according to the suit.. after the meeting, the rosaleses wrote bell an email explaining their religion doesn't permit celebrating christmas.
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While I agree with the principle behind them going to the courts, I find them to be hypocritical for doing so. I like the way King Solomon put it on another thread........
But as it pertains to the OP example of suing for wrongful discharge for religious discrimination, JWs should ONLY enter and use the court system when they are forced to, i.e. if named as a defendent, and NEVER as the plaintiff.
A JW should suck it up, and not run to "Satan's evil and flawed courts" to demand protection under their Constitutionally-protected Civil Rights for wrongful discharge, since they SHOULD think of it as religious persecution, suffering experienced in the name of Jehovah.
If it's mitigated by seeking redress in "Satan's civil court", then they're seeking redress under Civil law, and not "trusting in Jehovah" to set it straight. Instead, they are allowing Satan, not Jehovah, to fix things, thus allowing the Glory and Justice to serve as a testiment to the Glory of Satan....
How are you gonna view yourself as "being no part of the world" and "living in the last days" of "this system of things" all the while fighting for your rights as a JW to participate in activities part and parcel to the world? It comes off contradictory to me. Any discrimination that a JW faces should be properly viewed as persecution from the Devil. Jesus didn't fight for his rights and Paul only did so to support the preaching work. I couldn't imagine the apostle Paul going to court because the tentmaker's union didn't fight on his behalf after being let go from a job as a result of discrimination.
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Would elders cover up for a murderer?
by JeffT ini'm doing some noodling around with ideas for the rewrite of my novel (way behind schedule as i'm back to work part time).
the religion involved is a fictional creation, but based on jw's and similar groups.
the basic set up is a reranged killer knocking off people he thinks are god's enemies so god can start armageddon and bring in paradise.. so the question, if such a thing were happening around jw's and the elders had an idea who was doing it, would they cover it up?
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PS: what would Bethel do if they got wind of it?
Before or after the Conti case?
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Is it hypocritical for JWs to sue over religious discrimination on the job, or school, etc.?
by Theocratic Sedition inat the meetings, in the literature, even the social enviroment mandated upon a born-in, it's constantly reinforced that "we're no part of the world.
" considering jesus and paul's example, they didn't instigate legal proceedings, but were forced to be the subject of such due to the opposition they recieved.
matter fact, jesus didn't even bother defending himself, while paul only defended himself based upon his roman citizenship and the rights afforded him, not to mention the importance he placed up spearheading missionary work.. that said, where's the scriptural precedence for litigation when a jw feels he/she's been treated unfairly on the job over matters like needing vacation time to attend a convention, or holiday participation?
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At the meetings, in the literature, even the social enviroment mandated upon a born-in, it's constantly reinforced that "we're no part of the world." Considering Jesus and Paul's example, they didn't instigate legal proceedings, but were forced to be the subject of such due to the opposition they recieved. Matter fact, Jesus didn't even bother defending himself, while Paul only defended himself based upon his Roman citizenship and the rights afforded him, not to mention the importance he placed up spearheading missionary work.
That said, where's the Scriptural precedence for litigation when a JW feels he/she's been treated unfairly on the job over matters like needing vacation time to attend a convention, or holiday participation? Is not that kind of treatment expected in "this system of things?" If so, why not simply "charge it to the game" like a suspected criminal does when pinched? So the principle of a school in the link below gave the two JW teachers a hard time over needing some time off for the assembly. Also, the two were mandated to participate in some holiday activity. Both were non-tenured teachers so they were hired on a year by year basis, and after the previously mentioned events, were not rehired resulting in their decision to pursue a legal recourse. I'm racking my brain trying to come up with a Scriptural precedent supporting their action and coming up short. At one point I thought about Daniel, Meschach, Shadrach, and Abednego(love that last one's name btw, might name my son that) refusing to participate in idol worship under the threat of execution. However that's a case of slaves in a foreign land where this is a case of free individuals attempting to force an employer to adhere to their religious peculiarities.
While I don't agree with the principle's handling of the matter as it's a public school, I still can't understand the nerve a JW who's "no part of this world" all the while believing they're "living in the last days of this system of things." If that's true, shouldn't the believing JW chalk it all up to Satan, swallow their pride, and move on all while awaiting Jehovah to destroy the principle in the near future?
http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2012/aug/30/former-teachers-jehovahs-witnesses-file-lawsuit/
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A sure sign the End is Near....
by King Solomon inthe end of the month, that is, and someone apparently needs to get their hours in.... this resourceful jw (in the left side of the photo) set up shop for a few hours outside a local starbucks, with a wt and awake laid out on a table.
and i i don't think he talked to anyone the whole time he was out there (a few hours).. sure beats all that walking from door-to-door, which would likely result in a bunch of not-at-homes on a weekday: most people are at work.. (i approached him when entering, and asked him about the parable of faithful and "discreet" slave, and asked him what he thought the difference was between a parable and prophecy.
after getting a non-answer (that basically meant he didn't know), i wished him a good morning and went on my way.... .
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Well at least he did purchase something to drink. I'd feel rude setting up shop at an established place of business without at least supporting that business.
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To Whom do You Belong?
by God_Delusion inhi guys and gals,.
lot's of you will know about the old "to whom do you belong" kingdom melody intro sounding just like the australian national anthem.
i wonder if it was just pure coincidence or if the writers ripped it off thinking no one would notice.. i don't know the new songs very well - they changed the song book round about the time i stopped going to the meetings.
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That's a good song, apostate or not, can't deny that song is flames.
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A sure sign the End is Near....
by King Solomon inthe end of the month, that is, and someone apparently needs to get their hours in.... this resourceful jw (in the left side of the photo) set up shop for a few hours outside a local starbucks, with a wt and awake laid out on a table.
and i i don't think he talked to anyone the whole time he was out there (a few hours).. sure beats all that walking from door-to-door, which would likely result in a bunch of not-at-homes on a weekday: most people are at work.. (i approached him when entering, and asked him about the parable of faithful and "discreet" slave, and asked him what he thought the difference was between a parable and prophecy.
after getting a non-answer (that basically meant he didn't know), i wished him a good morning and went on my way.... .
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To be honest, as someone still going out in field service, I'd be more uncomfortable doing what this guy is doing at a place of business than doing the door to door work. With the door to door work it's almost like the publisher has an understanding with the householder. Like both know neither wants to really discuss anything with each another at least not anything religious. So the householder states he's not interested, the publisher thanks God under his breath, and they both go on with their day to be continued a several months later in the same neighborhood.
On the other hand to be out in public sitting down in a busy coffee shop with literature spread out on the table in front of you, all the while with your hand under your chin partially covering your lip as if you're up to something is not a good look. KingSolomon, other than that pose he's in, did he ever pose in a manner that he really has something to offer?
On another note, I've got a feeling that in the very near future the WT is going to be pushing for more public witnessing with booths and table setups. They're already testing it in certain areas, particulary NYC from what I hear. Something our COBOE said in a comment at a Service Meeting around the time a thread on here mentioned certain changes that elders will need to assist the congregation with accepting,has me wondering if the door to door might take a back seat in some cases with booth and table setups.
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A sure sign the End is Near....
by King Solomon inthe end of the month, that is, and someone apparently needs to get their hours in.... this resourceful jw (in the left side of the photo) set up shop for a few hours outside a local starbucks, with a wt and awake laid out on a table.
and i i don't think he talked to anyone the whole time he was out there (a few hours).. sure beats all that walking from door-to-door, which would likely result in a bunch of not-at-homes on a weekday: most people are at work.. (i approached him when entering, and asked him about the parable of faithful and "discreet" slave, and asked him what he thought the difference was between a parable and prophecy.
after getting a non-answer (that basically meant he didn't know), i wished him a good morning and went on my way.... .
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Unless I missed it, did he actually ever order anything? So the whole time he sat there at a Starbucks table outside, and ordered nothing? Just set up shop at an established business? The manager, clerks,etc. were ok with him doing this?
By the way I'm fiending for a vanilla latte' after this thread.
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Which websites do you go to for your NEWS?
by ThomasCovenant ini go to the following every day.
bbc news http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/ .
cnn international http://edition.cnn.com/ .
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I prefer MSNBC as it's easy on the eyes and simple enough to navigate. It's the first thing I do after sitting down and getting situated at work.
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Can someone recommend me a history book?
by slimboyfat innot on a specific subject, just in general.
history is my favourite subject and i'd like to maybe try something i wouldn't normally pick up.
has anyone read any really good history books recently they would recommend?.
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I have this book, although I've never finished it. Matter fact, I haven't even finished half of the book as life's demands won't allow it. It does however take the reader deep into the history of that problematic area going as far back as the Ottomon Empire's involvement. It includes the various political movements and nations which vied for control over that area and how those disputes and conquests lead to world wars and even the disputes in modern times and NATO.
